Season 2, Episode 4

The Shadow in the Machine: Searching for Humanity in the Digital Sewer

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Is artificial intelligence merely technology, or is it a reflection of ourselves? In this episode, I am joined by Dr. Roberto Buccola and philosopher Giorgio Baruchello. We discuss the intersection of technology, psychology, and mythology, exploring the contrasting cultural worlds of Iceland and Sicily as a metaphor for how we approach the unconscious. Photo taken by me in Palazzo Adriano in August, no AI....

Picture I took in Palazzo Adriano last summer, no AI, except the default in my phone....

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Guests

Roberto Buccola

Sálfræðingur

Giorgio Baruchello

Professor

Show Notes

The story truly begins in Sicily last summer.

I had the honor of delivering a talk on artificial intelligence at a conference regarding the future of happiness in the town of Palazzo Adriano. The setting was as if torn straight from a movie, and the experience matched it; surreal and bordering on magical. It was there that I met Dr. Roberto Buccola.

The friendship crossed the ocean when Roberto came to Iceland to teach at the University of Akureyri. He enjoyed my parents' hospitality during his stay, and a precious friendship was forged. Not least when his daughter, Olga, came to visit; they gave so much of themselves and showed my daughters exceptional warmth.

The goal of this podcast has always been to bridge gaps—not just between man and machine, but between different realms of thought. This episode ventured further with that exploration than I could have imagined.

Roberto opened the conversation with a fascinating metaphor, comparing the two mental landscapes we had experienced:

"Iceland is a collective unconscious connected to WiFi. Mountains that seem deep in thought and steam rising from the earth like a repressed psychological complex."

With these words, he opened a door into a world where AI is not merely a sequence of commands in code, but a living reflection of our own psyche. He equated modern data centers to medieval alchemy; we wield Python instead of Latin to transmute raw data into something we hope will become "gold"—without fully understanding the transformation that takes place.

Against the silent and contemplative Iceland, Roberto juxtaposed the sun-baked and chaotic Sicily—"the collective unconscious that wakes up and orders wine." There, the myths shout instead of lurking. This dichotomy—the logical and the passionate—is a metaphor for the human being itself, and perhaps also for the artificial intelligence we are creating.

Giorgio Baruchello picked up this poetic thread and grounded it. He reminded us that AI learns from the digital footprints we leave behind on the Internet, which he called the "collective sewer" of the soul. It is not just our best sides that accumulate there, but also the "shadow"—that which is repressed and unconscious. What does it mean to create "consciousness" from such material?

"The danger is not that machines will become conscious. It's that we will forget we already are."

This is not a trivial question. It touches the very core of what it means to "tame" technology. It is not just about setting rules, but understanding which parts of ourselves we are amplifying. As Roberto pointed out, referencing James Hillman:

"AI is not just a tool. It is a daimon. A new face of the anima mundi, the world soul, which now speaks in binary code instead of poetry."

The conversation left me with more questions than answers, which is perhaps the best possible outcome. If we stop looking for simple technical solutions and start asking deeper questions about meaning, purpose, and the soul, are we perhaps on the right path, or are we simply overthinking this into infinity?

I encourage you to take the time to listen. This is not an episode to consume while standing in line at the grocery store. This is a conversation for long walks or quiet moments where there is room for thought.

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